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we explore the shadow worlds of

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welcome to night-vision radio

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yeah hi everybody welcome to the show

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we've got a great one plan for tonight

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before we get started I would like to

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first express our solidarity and our

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sympathy with our brothers and sisters

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in France who lost their lives in the

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name of free speech was a horrible

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horrible act and we just want them to

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know the families that we are all

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praying for them and that we wish the

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very best and we hope that they will be

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shining lights to the rest of us not to

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cower not to back down there's nothing

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more important than our freedoms and I

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think that we should all just not cower

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at these kinds of acts but instead to

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show them that that doesn't work it's

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on another note a much lighter note a

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better note I'd like to welcome I have

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him in my home studio with me tonight my

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friends who just arrived from the UK

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David and Jeanne Pickering they're great

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friends of mine great friends of Henry

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Lincoln's and also fellow colleagues of

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mine in the Henry Lincoln archive

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project great literally got here like

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five minutes ago and so they're

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listening in to the show and they're

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particularly interested in my guest

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tonight because he is delving into all

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kinds of subjects of interest to them so

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tonight my guest is Louis buff Perry

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he's a codebreaker and he's going to be

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breaking some news tonight right here on

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night vision buff thank you so much for

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joining us

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well thank you for inviting me well I'm

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so glad that you accepted it I'm

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thrilled to have you and I know you're

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going to be breaking some news during

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the show but let's talk just a little

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bit first about I mean I think you first

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on the shepherd's monument at

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the London Times and figured out that

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strange cipher that was on the monument

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I think that's what your best

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for at least it to me but you've been

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working on so many other things you know

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Oak Island the money pit all kinds of

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research into America into Oklahoma the

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been all over the place is that's what's

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so crazy so where where would you like

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Shepherd's monument you you've

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introduced that kind of up front and we

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could carry on if you as you wish with

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the Shepherd's monument decipherment

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that's great yeah that'd be fantastic

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now what some people may or may not know

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a mirror image I believe it's flipped

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the other way and there's a coded

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message on it and it stands on the

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the zigs illus where I'm describing some

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could just tell about that particular

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cipher what does it say when you look at

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it and how did you

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a thousand so we've got together 1500

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the Hebrew article the like ha right so

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every instance but it's in many and I

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ha-hee and so forth

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are are the arts are how you pronounce

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the article in Hebrew but but there are

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the fruit month in Hebrew which is AAB

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Genesis and and find all of the verses

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very important in the really big picture

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of all of this because his second son

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head and and Joseph's asking is dad in

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Egypt why are you you know why are you

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doing this with my second son it's my

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paying more attention to because he is

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my first son after all

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finding there is that Joseph is called

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both the Shepherd and the stone of

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that Israel becomes the nation and then

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name that means fruit or fruits and in

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the I'm gonna fast-forward to a point

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here in in in in Jewish tradition Judaic

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tradition there the the tribes in Egypt

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Ephraim bore the stone of Jacob and this

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called Bethel stones or Bethel stones so

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they're you know they're we get the

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stone again with a frame the fruits you

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know of you see whether I'm going here

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fruit of Joseph right or well have no LS

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rain a frame just means fruits right and

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on the monument didn't you say it

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referred to Joseph and then the next

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word had something to do the with

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blossoms or fruit maybe I maybe I know

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it's a no exactly

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you know you're right exactly what I'm

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I'm layering this so that this so that

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we are also dealing with the stone of

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Jacob and what happens to it in context

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the stone the pillow stone of Jacob yes

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which really you know is the stone of

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Israel in a in a kind of a double

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entendre sense the you know Joseph is

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called the stone of Israel or the stone

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of Jacob but but it's in a broader sense

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the pillow stone because this is what

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ends up in the in the Ark carried by hit

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by the favorite son of Israel by the

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favored grandson of Israel who is

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Ephraim I got it okay and that's that's

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it you know I mean I'm giving you a

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really abbreviated kind of a definition

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or translation or decoding of that first

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of the line Oh you--oh SVA VV what I

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want to tell you tonight is that there

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is in Hebrew another meaning to to the

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to to that is found within those letters

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consecutively in the evolved part of it

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and that's the last three letters and

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that meaning is hollowing it even goes

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to then to to the two term used in

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Hebrew for flute because it's a hollow

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Reed right so hollowing now we're going

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to now we're going to an issue in this

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was you know this was a masterful and

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very very clever codification when you

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think about it you know assuming I'm

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correct in the in the decipherment

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because that when when this stone that

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that La Verendrye found in Canada or

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along the border area between Canada and

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the United States it's reported by by

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Alexander von Humboldt to the founder of

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ecology and the Volcanology and you know

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the contemporary modern geography is

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really you know the result of Alexander

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von Humboldt work he and he and he

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because I you know I I'm gonna be going

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all over the place and this alright has

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ideas come up Alexander and humble is

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very important and you can remind me of

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this a little bit later because of the

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17:46 he's the only person that assigns

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to to the designs that year to the time

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that that stone that lover and retakes

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out of the the hollowing of the pillar

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sends it to the Jesuits they look at the

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inscription on it they classify the

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inscription and then it's sent on route

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to to France and it was supposed to be

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ending up with the count of Mara pod the

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Secretary of State for for King Louie

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the 15th but it was intercepted by by

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Admiral Hanson in 1746 and seventy

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forty-seven the same Admiral Ahsan Keir

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actually was arrested by Anson and

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brought to London when he was imprisoned

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there for a short period and then he

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came back to Canada and he became

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the governor-general so you know I mean

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we're trying to cram into a nutshell you

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know a huge amount of information and

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material here and we're trying to

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abbreviate as much as I can or well it's

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so many layers and threads it is very

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complicated but it's it's it's

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interesting so are you positing then

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that the the encoding which you've

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deciphered reveals the location of the

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stone no and I don't agree that that

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that that that cipher does that or that

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there are pointers carved into the into

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marble that that they do that whether

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it's you know any any body part fingers

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that are pointing or otherwise I don't

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agree with that I think I think all

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that's being stated is that the stone

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you know arrived at Litchfield estate

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and that that it's it's very much

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intimately bound up with what Nicolas

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Poussin

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was depicting in both the first and the

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second paintings of at in Arcadia ego or

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the Shepherd's of Arcadia it in that

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we've got Rachel and Jacob as the adults

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in the in the two paintings and then the

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two sons Benjamin and Joseph the

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argument you know the the contrary

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argument goes that that Rachel died

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giving birth to Benjamin so what what's

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she doing there with Benjamin all grown

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up and and the fact is the in the Bible

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in in different books that are after

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Genesis when Rachel is referred to she's

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cited as you know being heard weeping

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over her children who are no more so

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there's a kind of a haunt sense of how

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she continues to haunt the Bible she

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goes right into the New Testament but

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there's it's Jeremiah especially where

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where there's a poignant

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reference to her about being heard

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crying weeping over her children who are

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no more and that can have all kinds of

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meanings and we you know we don't need

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to really get into all of those right

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here and now what's important is that

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there is a sense that Rachel becomes

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eternal in reference when everybody

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keeps hearing her crying over these

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children who are no more so the Nicolas

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Poussin

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is just upholding that when when he's

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depicting her or was it grown children

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with yes yeah now why would that be well

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her name pronounced in Semitic phonology

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sounds very much like Grail right hell

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right who is Rachel and I like you know

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I'm arguing that Nicolas Poussin was

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part of an inner circle call it by you

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know any of the names that it often you

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he was definitely part of the Jesuit

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inner circle in that he did a portrait

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of Ignatius Loyola the founder of the

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Jesuits I mean not to forget that you

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know the Illuminati sprang out of a

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Jesuit University in Bavaria and and you

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know that's important to keep in mind

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what what the real role of the Jesuits

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have been through time and we now have a

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pope who's Jesuit first time ever but he

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he painted Ignatius Loyola the Jesuits

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love the painting he's he's brought to

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to Rome where he's with Claude Lorrain

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and they're working together with the

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Jesuits in Rome

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hmm so he he becomes associated although

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you know he lived some time before with

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the Jacobites and the anthems were

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associated with the Jacobites for those

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who take the time to do firsthand

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research in archives rather than

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secondary and tertiary work they'll find

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out that that the answer is used to go

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in and on horseback go and meet up with

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and watch the Jacobite the Jacobites

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march across their property I'll wrote

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to to London and let's not forget who

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the Jacobites are in this whole scheme

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of things you know they wanted to bring

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the Stuart dynasty back in back onto the

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throne after King James ii in 1688 was

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was was removed and replaced by William

377
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of Orange that's what the whole Jacobite

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movement was about to to reinstate the

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the Stuart line so it it's it's

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important to to understand that when

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King James was deposed a movement

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started to restore his line onto the

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throne and it was it was a movement that

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was that was made up largely of Scots

385
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Presbyterian Scots in large part but

386
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Catholics of course because he was

387
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Catholic and Quakers supported the

388
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Jacobite movement the French of course

389
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did and there were other supporters of

390
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it but the ansan supporting it as

391
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litchfield the stage the moment - it's

392
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real the state at the time it brings up

393
00:23:22,530 --> 00:23:19,900
a lot of perhaps in some Minds

394
00:23:25,020 --> 00:23:22,540
contradictions and there's a lot of

395
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:25,030
ambiguity about that because they were

396
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freemasons and you know they

397
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had oil t to the the Church of England

398
00:23:41,100 --> 00:23:37,840
seemingly but that's true of so many

399
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:41,110
others at that time when when King James

400
00:23:47,700 --> 00:23:43,930
ii was deposed and william of orange

401
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:47,710
replaced him there there was uncertainty

402
00:23:53,580 --> 00:23:50,170
on the part of many many leaders many

403
00:23:57,420 --> 00:23:53,590
you know well-founded members of the

404
00:23:59,400 --> 00:23:57,430
aristocracy concerning where their

405
00:24:03,200 --> 00:23:59,410
loyalty should be should their loyalties

406
00:24:07,230 --> 00:24:03,210
be associated with the deposed james or

407
00:24:10,410 --> 00:24:07,240
with it with the instated william of

408
00:24:14,850 --> 00:24:10,420
orange and because of the uncertainty in

409
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:14,860
you know it from 1688 and shortly

410
00:24:19,410 --> 00:24:16,690
thereafter about whether or not there

411
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:19,420
might be you know the recapturing of

412
00:24:26,340 --> 00:24:22,650
that thrown by by the the stewart line a

413
00:24:26,910 --> 00:24:26,350
lot of a lot of the well-to-do the the

414
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:26,920
upper-class

415
00:24:34,170 --> 00:24:31,210
you know folks of england in particular

416
00:24:37,950 --> 00:24:34,180
were uncertain about about pledging

417
00:24:42,120 --> 00:24:37,960
loyalty so the Anson's were very much in

418
00:24:45,390 --> 00:24:42,130
the middle and on one hand they would

419
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:45,400
they appeared to have loyalty to to the

420
00:24:49,980 --> 00:24:46,770
church of england but on the other hand

421
00:24:52,860 --> 00:24:49,990
they they did nothing to stop the jet

422
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:52,870
the Jacobites from marching across their

423
00:24:58,320 --> 00:24:55,690
property and they enjoyed meeting with

424
00:25:01,050 --> 00:24:58,330
him and and and watching them move

425
00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:01,060
across the property and this is this is

426
00:25:08,850 --> 00:25:06,130
well recorded so and so this goes to the

427
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:08,860
to a lot of the confusion around around

428
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:10,690
what actually was going on in those

429
00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:15,730
years and and you know what the bigger

430
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:18,240
question is what so what is it about the

431
00:25:23,550 --> 00:25:21,010
you know about the stewards that is so

432
00:25:26,340 --> 00:25:23,560
important what do they possess what it

433
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:26,350
what is the key there is it the same key

434
00:25:39,210 --> 00:25:34,330
with the Sinclairs it you know so the

435
00:25:41,310 --> 00:25:39,220
the jesuit movement is central to to to

436
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:41,320
the decipherment

437
00:25:50,110 --> 00:25:46,970
the Jesuit movement is is not foreign to

438
00:25:56,380 --> 00:25:50,120
Rosicrucianism and and Freemasonry in

439
00:25:58,510 --> 00:25:56,390
its own practice of those secret

440
00:26:00,400 --> 00:25:58,520
societies and within those secret

441
00:26:03,850 --> 00:26:00,410
societies and we know that they engaged

442
00:26:05,260 --> 00:26:03,860
them we know that they were part of the

443
00:26:06,910 --> 00:26:05,270
the count of more about who was a

444
00:26:10,330 --> 00:26:06,920
Secretary of State under under King

445
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:10,340
Louie the 15th they were part of his his

446
00:26:19,150 --> 00:26:14,810
empire in France especially when when

447
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:19,160
King James the second fled and we know

448
00:26:25,900 --> 00:26:22,000
that that that that Secretary of State

449
00:26:28,690 --> 00:26:25,910
used to host secret meetings in a

450
00:26:33,460 --> 00:26:28,700
sacristy that he redesigned specifically

451
00:26:35,650 --> 00:26:33,470
for himself at a glacial peace his

452
00:26:37,990 --> 00:26:35,660
record is recorded by the by the

453
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:38,000
sufficient priests they gave me you know

454
00:26:46,980 --> 00:26:43,490
the full file on this you had some

455
00:26:50,620 --> 00:26:46,990
amazing access there at San so peace

456
00:26:52,750 --> 00:26:50,630
yeah and interestingly so because you

457
00:26:57,820 --> 00:26:52,760
know the the the production of The

458
00:26:58,690 --> 00:26:57,830
DaVinci Code ended up it with doors

459
00:27:01,720 --> 00:26:58,700
closed

460
00:27:05,170 --> 00:27:01,730
they couldn't film in in agree Saints

461
00:27:06,970 --> 00:27:05,180
apiece but we could Wow oh you you

462
00:27:11,140 --> 00:27:06,980
filmed it oh that's fantastic

463
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:11,150
that's in the piece exhilarate I just

464
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:14,570
watched that again recently and yeah but

465
00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:16,850
I'd been to San Sophie's a few times and

466
00:27:22,150 --> 00:27:20,240
we did manage to get some access but we

467
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:22,160
didn't weren't able to take any pictures

468
00:27:26,260 --> 00:27:23,690
or anything like that it was just for

469
00:27:28,690 --> 00:27:26,270
our own study but we managed to go down

470
00:27:32,350 --> 00:27:28,700
stairs it to the water source and in

471
00:27:34,540 --> 00:27:32,360
different places where normally they

472
00:27:36,070 --> 00:27:34,550
said you know we weren't we weren't

473
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:36,080
supposed to be able to go I don't know

474
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:40,010
how true that is but we're gonna take a

475
00:27:46,150 --> 00:27:42,610
break in about two minutes or less

476
00:27:48,460 --> 00:27:46,160
so if you do you have a closing thought

477
00:27:53,650 --> 00:27:48,470
here or one that will bridge us to the

478
00:27:55,090 --> 00:27:53,660
next half hour but well I if we're going

479
00:27:58,570 --> 00:27:55,100
to be

480
00:28:03,940 --> 00:27:58,580
talking about the the money pit on Oak

481
00:28:05,980 --> 00:28:03,950
Island I think that that yes the that's

482
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:05,990
where we should go when we when we come

483
00:28:09,940 --> 00:28:08,210
back oh that's fantastic because bill

484
00:28:12,970 --> 00:28:09,950
from New York and the chat room just

485
00:28:16,150 --> 00:28:12,980
asked is there a connection between the

486
00:28:19,810 --> 00:28:16,160
Shepards Monument and Oak Island so I

487
00:28:22,180 --> 00:28:19,820
guess we shall let you answer that

488
00:28:24,670 --> 00:28:22,190
question when we come back from the from

489
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:24,680
the break I can leave if there's a few

490
00:28:30,970 --> 00:28:27,050
seconds left it was Nick fielding who

491
00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:30,980
wrote the full-page feature on on the

492
00:28:39,610 --> 00:28:34,370
the decipherment of that code who linked

493
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:39,620
the the this work to Oak Island and that

494
00:28:47,650 --> 00:28:43,610
was as a result of his access to notes

495
00:28:51,010 --> 00:28:47,660
and reports and and and what had been

496
00:28:52,420 --> 00:28:51,020
provided to Bletchley Park people to the

497
00:28:56,260 --> 00:28:52,430
you know the executives of Bletchley

498
00:29:00,100 --> 00:28:56,270
Park and and that's a really long story

499
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:00,110
that I shouldn't actually start on this

500
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:02,570
side is with the great okay yeah the

501
00:29:06,490 --> 00:29:04,370
music is rolling now so we'll be back in

502
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:06,500
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564
00:32:19,930 --> 00:32:17,240
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565
00:32:23,980 --> 00:32:19,940
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566
00:32:27,250 --> 00:32:23,990
buff Perry about his amazing discoveries

567
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:27,260
we've been spending the first half hour

568
00:32:31,810 --> 00:32:29,090
of the show talking about Shugborough

569
00:32:35,110 --> 00:32:31,820
Hall and the Shepherd's monument on that

570
00:32:38,190 --> 00:32:35,120
property it's links to the Poussin

571
00:32:41,890 --> 00:32:38,200
painting shepherds of Arcadia and

572
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:41,900
further mysteries and we had a question

573
00:32:46,149 --> 00:32:44,690
just before the break from bill in New

574
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:46,159
York is there a connection between

575
00:32:54,940 --> 00:32:51,730
shepherds Monument and Oak Island well

576
00:32:57,990 --> 00:32:54,950
the connection was actually made by Nick

577
00:33:03,070 --> 00:32:58,000
Fielding who was the intelligence

578
00:33:06,070 --> 00:33:03,080
experts journalists for for the London

579
00:33:07,690 --> 00:33:06,080
Times when he went through my material

580
00:33:11,799 --> 00:33:07,700
and some other people's material as well

581
00:33:15,940 --> 00:33:11,809
and he he drew from from all that he had

582
00:33:20,620 --> 00:33:15,950
poured through this connection to Oak

583
00:33:24,279 --> 00:33:20,630
Island and it's amazing that at that

584
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:24,289
time I was not so inclined to to

585
00:33:31,570 --> 00:33:27,919
necessarily agree but but now having had

586
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:31,580
a lot to do with the new research at Oak

587
00:33:36,159 --> 00:33:32,210
Island

588
00:33:38,049 --> 00:33:36,169
I get the picture and I think that there

589
00:33:41,500 --> 00:33:38,059
are a few people behind the scenes who

590
00:33:44,049 --> 00:33:41,510
who who have made this linkage in

591
00:33:48,850 --> 00:33:44,059
addition to Nick fielding and now myself

592
00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:48,860
but I would say now that yeah there's

593
00:33:55,270 --> 00:33:51,440
definitely a connection because of what

594
00:34:01,000 --> 00:33:55,280
was obtained by Admiral Anson from the

595
00:34:07,470 --> 00:34:01,010
LA junkie air fleet in 1746 and 1747 but

596
00:34:10,540 --> 00:34:07,480
especially in 1746 the the fleet that

597
00:34:14,649 --> 00:34:10,550
we're speaking about was one associated

598
00:34:19,389 --> 00:34:14,659
with with with with King Louie the King

599
00:34:22,629 --> 00:34:19,399
Louie the 15th and it was it it was

600
00:34:24,250 --> 00:34:22,639
captained by baile junkier who became

601
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:24,260
the Governor General again of Canada

602
00:34:32,430 --> 00:34:27,050
once he got out of prison in London

603
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:32,440
after 1748 but what did he have on board

604
00:34:39,419 --> 00:34:34,970
the the the fleet

605
00:34:47,530 --> 00:34:39,429
there was cargo and that cargo I'm

606
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:47,540
arguing included gold it turns out that

607
00:34:55,450 --> 00:34:51,170
that Sir William from where though from

608
00:34:59,320 --> 00:34:55,460
from the from the money pit gold from

609
00:35:03,490 --> 00:34:59,330
the money pit yeah see it seventeen bit

610
00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:03,500
go ahead are you also saying and forgive

611
00:35:11,650 --> 00:35:07,040
me if I if I heard wrong but that is

612
00:35:19,150 --> 00:35:11,660
that the same person that also brought

613
00:35:22,690 --> 00:35:19,160
the stone yes we know that we know he

614
00:35:24,730 --> 00:35:22,700
was the was the only Admiral who was you

615
00:35:26,530 --> 00:35:24,740
know who was in charge of these large

616
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:26,540
fleets that were going back and forth

617
00:35:33,550 --> 00:35:29,570
between New France and France mm-hmm and

618
00:35:37,890 --> 00:35:33,560
especially the area of Nova Scotia where

619
00:35:41,980 --> 00:35:37,900
the money pit in Oak Island are and so

620
00:35:44,020 --> 00:35:41,990
yeah he would he we again according to

621
00:35:46,540 --> 00:35:44,030
Alexander von Humboldt and this year is

622
00:35:49,810 --> 00:35:46,550
extremely important 1746 because others

623
00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:49,820
argue it was earlier the question is

624
00:35:58,030 --> 00:35:52,730
what is it and how is it that that that

625
00:36:02,560 --> 00:35:58,040
Alexander von Humboldt came to this this

626
00:36:05,020 --> 00:36:02,570
this year of 1746 when when when the

627
00:36:07,450 --> 00:36:05,030
when the stone tablet the inscribed

628
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:07,460
stone tablet was shipped why did he why

629
00:36:10,930 --> 00:36:09,410
did he cite that year and he did it in

630
00:36:17,050 --> 00:36:10,940
more than one book he did it in two or

631
00:36:20,350 --> 00:36:17,060
three books because he knew about it he

632
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:20,360
knew the inner account of the shipment

633
00:36:28,180 --> 00:36:24,410
also of gold Sanderson there's some very

634
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:28,190
very interesting evidence about about

635
00:36:35,860 --> 00:36:32,690
that gold and that goes to the you know

636
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:35,870
the my contribution to the current

637
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:38,450
research going on with Oak Island there

638
00:36:43,300 --> 00:36:40,970
are several several aspects to my

639
00:36:47,020 --> 00:36:43,310
to what I'm contributing but in terms of

640
00:36:50,890 --> 00:36:47,030
the gold let me let me let me cite

641
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:50,900
something for you okay this is just a

642
00:36:56,140 --> 00:36:53,450
note I have more over there is sound

643
00:36:59,440 --> 00:36:56,150
archival evidence that was junky air was

644
00:37:01,900 --> 00:36:59,450
in 1746 and 70 47 attacked by Admiral

645
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:01,910
Hanson who recorded his capturing of

646
00:37:06,670 --> 00:37:04,010
booty in the form of the inscribed stone

647
00:37:09,940 --> 00:37:06,680
tablet and a gold quote it is known

648
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:09,950
muita 15 cents laden with supplies

649
00:37:18,099 --> 00:37:14,330
including 852 thousand pounds of gold

650
00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:18,109
coins but two ships are recorded as

651
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:20,720
being damaged in an encounter with the

652
00:37:29,859 --> 00:37:23,210
British after which they limped back to

653
00:37:32,470 --> 00:37:29,869
France so we we have an account and and

654
00:37:38,950 --> 00:37:32,480
and you know it turns out that that this

655
00:37:41,260 --> 00:37:38,960
gold was headed for the Jacobites to

656
00:37:44,530 --> 00:37:41,270
finance the Jacobites what you know like

657
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:44,540
I'd started to get into the the the sort

658
00:37:49,870 --> 00:37:47,930
of the the the preceding activities and

659
00:37:52,210 --> 00:37:49,880
let's let me do that with you right now

660
00:37:55,089 --> 00:37:52,220
there was a shipwreck on the concepción

661
00:38:00,970 --> 00:37:55,099
of the concepción which was bearing gold

662
00:38:02,950 --> 00:38:00,980
and silver back in the 1600s and William

663
00:38:07,630 --> 00:38:02,960
Phips who was a ship builder out of out

664
00:38:10,510 --> 00:38:07,640
of Boston took when he once he found the

665
00:38:14,380 --> 00:38:10,520
shipwreck and we're talking about an

666
00:38:16,390 --> 00:38:14,390
area just outside of the Bahamas once he

667
00:38:18,700 --> 00:38:16,400
found the shipwreck it no one had

668
00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:18,710
plundered it yet he took all the silver

669
00:38:23,740 --> 00:38:21,440
and this is this is well recorded he

670
00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:23,750
took all the silver off of it brought it

671
00:38:34,270 --> 00:38:31,250
to King James ii in 1687 1687 King James

672
00:38:38,230 --> 00:38:34,280
was you know still on the throne 1688 he

673
00:38:43,410 --> 00:38:38,240
wasn't so what we have is all the gold

674
00:38:46,900 --> 00:38:43,420
still left on that on that wrecked ship

675
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:46,910
but the silver having been already

676
00:38:53,970 --> 00:38:51,410
delivered to King James so the then the

677
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:53,980
question becomes

678
00:39:00,270 --> 00:38:56,530
did what happened to the gold right

679
00:39:04,020 --> 00:39:00,280
William no it wasn't he was knighted he

680
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:04,030
was knighted by King James so obviously

681
00:39:08,190 --> 00:39:05,290
he's going to have some loyalty even

682
00:39:09,870 --> 00:39:08,200
though there was friction he's going to

683
00:39:12,270 --> 00:39:09,880
have loyalty to the man who knighted him

684
00:39:16,290 --> 00:39:12,280
to the king to the monarch who knighted

685
00:39:20,609 --> 00:39:16,300
him and and there's the the general

686
00:39:23,700 --> 00:39:20,619
prevailing idea in theory is that that

687
00:39:28,410 --> 00:39:23,710
his loyalty shifted to William of Orange

688
00:39:33,740 --> 00:39:28,420
and he brought the gold to the money pit

689
00:39:38,339 --> 00:39:33,750
on Oak Island and hid it to provide to

690
00:39:39,390 --> 00:39:38,349
William of Orange but now here's the

691
00:39:42,270 --> 00:39:39,400
here's the issue

692
00:39:48,060 --> 00:39:42,280
we know that mysteriously a huge amount

693
00:39:50,819 --> 00:39:48,070
of gold coin coinage was delivered to

694
00:39:57,420 --> 00:39:50,829
the was intended for delivery to the

695
00:40:00,900 --> 00:39:57,430
abides in 1746 the the last major

696
00:40:02,430 --> 00:40:00,910
Jacobite uprising was in 1745 with the

697
00:40:09,780 --> 00:40:02,440
last battle called the Battle of

698
00:40:13,890 --> 00:40:09,790
Culloden in 1746 and the gold there are

699
00:40:15,720 --> 00:40:13,900
let's say gold from somewhere and it's

700
00:40:21,109 --> 00:40:15,730
in the records it said you have come

701
00:40:24,030 --> 00:40:21,119
from a French source arrives in Scotland

702
00:40:28,020 --> 00:40:24,040
after the battle is lost the Battle of

703
00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:28,030
Culloden and it was intended to finance

704
00:40:36,780 --> 00:40:32,800
the Jacobite ongoing rebellion to you

705
00:40:39,230 --> 00:40:36,790
know bring back the Stuart line to the

706
00:40:45,540 --> 00:40:42,329
oh and I can tell you there's there's

707
00:40:48,359 --> 00:40:45,550
you know the the there's there is all

708
00:40:50,910 --> 00:40:48,369
kinds of history about treasures being

709
00:40:52,740 --> 00:40:50,920
being stashed here or there to support

710
00:40:56,099 --> 00:40:52,750
this of that kind of shift in in

711
00:40:57,809 --> 00:40:56,109
monarchies the Lancastrian treasure was

712
00:41:00,450 --> 00:40:57,819
used for the armies you know the ante

713
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:00,460
Yorkists in Berlin was at the mid the

714
00:41:07,859 --> 00:41:05,410
mid 1400s by the UH new dynasty in the

715
00:41:10,319 --> 00:41:07,869
War of the Roses so in this case

716
00:41:16,230 --> 00:41:10,329
we've got Jacobite gold and on December

717
00:41:20,130 --> 00:41:16,240
19th 2007 BBC aired a feature the title

718
00:41:26,940 --> 00:41:20,140
of it is Beach hunt for Beach hunt for

719
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:26,950
lost Jacobite gold and yeah yeah quote

720
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:28,450
I'll read I'll read you this little

721
00:41:33,150 --> 00:41:30,490
section of it archeologists hope to find

722
00:41:36,930 --> 00:41:33,160
missing French gold sent to Scotland to

723
00:41:38,339 --> 00:41:36,940
help fund a Jacobite rebellion a portion

724
00:41:41,460 --> 00:41:38,349
of the money was believed to have been

725
00:41:45,210 --> 00:41:41,470
hidden at Arras eiegant near mallaig in

726
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:45,220
seventeen hundred's Neal Oliver is

727
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:47,410
leading the hunt for the gold for a new

728
00:41:53,220 --> 00:41:50,890
BBC two series called History Detectives

729
00:41:55,140 --> 00:41:53,230
the money did not arrive in Scotland

730
00:41:59,160 --> 00:41:55,150
until after the Jacobites defeat at the

731
00:42:04,160 --> 00:41:59,170
Battle of Culloden in April 1746 so

732
00:42:07,859 --> 00:42:04,170
there's there's that year again 17:46

733
00:42:12,989 --> 00:42:07,869
and and and alexander von humboldt cites

734
00:42:14,970 --> 00:42:12,999
that year the the the the admiral who

735
00:42:17,009 --> 00:42:14,980
commanded the fleets that were going

736
00:42:21,170 --> 00:42:17,019
back and forth between France and Canada

737
00:42:25,349 --> 00:42:21,180
or then new France was admiral junkier

738
00:42:27,150 --> 00:42:25,359
hmm and so we have we know that the

739
00:42:29,729 --> 00:42:27,160
tablet according at least to Alexander

740
00:42:33,660 --> 00:42:29,739
von Humboldt and I'll go with him and

741
00:42:35,339 --> 00:42:33,670
not the others that the tablet the stone

742
00:42:39,029 --> 00:42:35,349
tablet the inscribed stone tablet was

743
00:42:41,339 --> 00:42:39,039
shipped in 1746 and so too was some gold

744
00:42:44,660 --> 00:42:41,349
from a French source well what do we

745
00:42:47,210 --> 00:42:44,670
have with Nova Scotia a fridge source

746
00:42:49,739 --> 00:42:47,220
yeah absolutely

747
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:49,749
so there you know we really have only

748
00:42:59,460 --> 00:42:55,210
one basic Admiral who had the authority

749
00:43:05,609 --> 00:42:59,470
at the level required to be bearing this

750
00:43:10,589 --> 00:43:05,619
kind of treasure bringing it across the

751
00:43:14,130 --> 00:43:10,599
Atlantic and went once you know you

752
00:43:20,279 --> 00:43:14,140
here's my argument that the part of the

753
00:43:21,780 --> 00:43:20,289
fleet went north and the rest of it was

754
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:21,790
continuing when answer

755
00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:28,210
commandeered what remained mmm the part

756
00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:29,920
that went north is the part that had the

757
00:43:35,910 --> 00:43:33,730
gold and by the time it was delivered

758
00:43:39,030 --> 00:43:35,920
battle of culloden was lost by the

759
00:43:42,270 --> 00:43:39,040
Jacobites so there was no way that they

760
00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:42,280
could they could use it to you know

761
00:43:47,220 --> 00:43:44,730
finance their their ongoing rebellion

762
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:47,230
but here's here's another little quote

763
00:43:55,290 --> 00:43:49,170
for you that the the archaeologist

764
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:55,300
provided to BBC Oliver said the clues to

765
00:43:58,290 --> 00:43:57,010
the possible location were contained in

766
00:44:02,700 --> 00:43:58,300
a letter believed to have been written

767
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:02,710
in October 17:46 he said quote it

768
00:44:08,670 --> 00:44:06,130
appears to be a deathbed confession from

769
00:44:12,450 --> 00:44:08,680
a abite who took some of the money

770
00:44:15,110 --> 00:44:12,460
and hid it apparently he was so tortured

771
00:44:17,550 --> 00:44:15,120
from having taken some of the money he

772
00:44:20,610 --> 00:44:17,560
says in his letter that he didn't know

773
00:44:22,620 --> 00:44:20,620
what it was when he took it then when he

774
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:22,630
found out that it belonged to his

775
00:44:26,940 --> 00:44:24,610
rightful prince he made his confession

776
00:44:34,650 --> 00:44:26,950
to make sure it got back to its rightful

777
00:44:37,470 --> 00:44:34,660
owner there's this all of what I'm

778
00:44:43,260 --> 00:44:37,480
telling you is is information that is

779
00:44:46,650 --> 00:44:43,270
not being parsed you are used at all by

780
00:44:50,550 --> 00:44:46,660
the investigators of Oak Island today or

781
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:50,560
over the past decades for whatever

782
00:44:56,970 --> 00:44:54,240
reason they've chosen the argument of

783
00:45:01,640 --> 00:44:56,980
about william of orange being the

784
00:45:05,190 --> 00:45:01,650
ultimate intended recipient of the gold

785
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:05,200
because these people are are you know

786
00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:08,160
they're tending to be very much pro

787
00:45:16,140 --> 00:45:11,440
monarchy as it exists today not which is

788
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:16,150
a historic grouping and and so the

789
00:45:20,550 --> 00:45:18,850
so-called Glorious Revolution as it's

790
00:45:23,370 --> 00:45:20,560
referred to when William of Orange took

791
00:45:25,740 --> 00:45:23,380
the throne is what they're counting

792
00:45:28,380 --> 00:45:25,750
that's what they're arguing they've

793
00:45:32,990 --> 00:45:28,390
totally either overlooked or

794
00:45:35,609 --> 00:45:33,000
purposefully omitted the Jacobite

795
00:45:37,950 --> 00:45:35,619
activities going on at the same time

796
00:45:39,150 --> 00:45:37,960
and and it's you know it's unfortunate

797
00:45:43,140 --> 00:45:39,160
that they're doing that because I think

798
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:43,150
this is where all of the answers lie Wow

799
00:45:51,329 --> 00:45:45,249
you might take in a couple of questions

800
00:45:53,969 --> 00:45:51,339
from the chat room boss sure Kourt wants

801
00:45:58,999 --> 00:45:53,979
to know is the Marquis de st. George

802
00:46:03,059 --> 00:45:59,009
related to the stone that Anson captured

803
00:46:05,069 --> 00:46:03,069
did he relate to it I guess is he

804
00:46:06,799 --> 00:46:05,079
related to it and somehow are related to

805
00:46:09,809 --> 00:46:06,809
the story

806
00:46:11,370 --> 00:46:09,819
not that I'm familiar with is there a

807
00:46:14,009 --> 00:46:11,380
connection I think it's what he probably

808
00:46:16,890 --> 00:46:14,019
meant okay and he had a second question

809
00:46:24,410 --> 00:46:16,900
he says what is the Jacobite connection

810
00:46:27,539 --> 00:46:24,420
to Santiago de Compostela is there one

811
00:46:29,969 --> 00:46:27,549
well I'm not sure what he's what he's

812
00:46:32,249 --> 00:46:29,979
what he's getting at there what is he

813
00:46:37,229 --> 00:46:32,259
asking about that there could be 220

814
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:37,239
answers to that or none I see I don't

815
00:46:40,499 --> 00:46:39,130
know maybe he'll maybe he'll clear man I

816
00:46:42,569 --> 00:46:40,509
could get a little more yeah a little

817
00:46:45,959 --> 00:46:42,579
bit more specific on it I'm hopeful in

818
00:46:47,759 --> 00:46:45,969
here so maybe he'll shoot a more

819
00:46:50,839 --> 00:46:47,769
specific question through on that

820
00:46:55,019 --> 00:46:50,849
exactly what he's trying to get at there

821
00:46:57,299 --> 00:46:55,029
so court let us have it and Bill from

822
00:47:00,829 --> 00:46:57,309
New York says what are your thoughts on

823
00:47:06,900 --> 00:47:00,839
a possible location of the Holy Grail

824
00:47:09,359 --> 00:47:06,910
okay see the are there is a view that at

825
00:47:14,190 --> 00:47:09,369
the very bottom of the money pit the the

826
00:47:19,729 --> 00:47:14,200
O Holy Grail not not argue the Covenant

827
00:47:22,739 --> 00:47:19,739
yeah okay what is the question again

828
00:47:25,589 --> 00:47:22,749
what are your thoughts on a possible

829
00:47:27,299 --> 00:47:25,599
location for the Holy Grail well what

830
00:47:29,430 --> 00:47:27,309
the Holy Grail it's pretty well

831
00:47:32,729 --> 00:47:29,440
understood that the Holy Grail is a

832
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:32,739
number of things not one thing Rachel

833
00:47:37,049 --> 00:47:35,200
was the the you know the Grail mother

834
00:47:39,150 --> 00:47:37,059
there's no question in my mind about

835
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:39,160
that her very name is pronounced Grail

836
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:42,960
right he'll and and you know Joseph

837
00:47:49,050 --> 00:47:46,450
lives out the Grail romances through the

838
00:47:51,570 --> 00:47:49,060
you know the sacred chalice is

839
00:47:53,730 --> 00:47:51,580
that he that he deals with when he's in

840
00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:53,740
Egypt and becomes the vice regent under

841
00:47:59,250 --> 00:47:57,040
the Pharaoh I mean that's a long story

842
00:48:03,720 --> 00:47:59,260
in itself so there's you know it's it is

843
00:48:06,270 --> 00:48:03,730
a woman you know Menai I think we can

844
00:48:08,550 --> 00:48:06,280
thank Beijing Lincoln and Lee with Holy

845
00:48:14,010 --> 00:48:08,560
Blood Holy Grail for that and also Dan

846
00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:14,020
Brown if nothing else it's it is a cup

847
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:16,240
you know the the cup is it's an

848
00:48:21,270 --> 00:48:19,570
interesting aspect to this cup to this

849
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:21,280
chalice that is supposed to have been

850
00:48:25,770 --> 00:48:22,930
used at the Last Supper in caught the

851
00:48:28,140 --> 00:48:25,780
blood of Jesus okay a joseph of

852
00:48:30,780 --> 00:48:28,150
arimathea is associated with it

853
00:48:34,380 --> 00:48:30,790
and he is supposed to have come from the

854
00:48:40,250 --> 00:48:34,390
tribe of Benjamin in Genesis we have

855
00:48:45,180 --> 00:48:40,260
Joseph hiding a sacred chalice in a sack

856
00:48:47,850 --> 00:48:45,190
the Benjamin has that he is brought with

857
00:48:50,550 --> 00:48:47,860
him you know with this with his brothers

858
00:48:59,690 --> 00:48:50,560
who have come down from the Holy Land to

859
00:49:07,500 --> 00:48:59,700
Egypt and so that cup that chalice is

860
00:49:11,970 --> 00:49:07,510
last associated with Benjamin and then

861
00:49:13,950 --> 00:49:11,980
you know fast forward to the events

862
00:49:17,010 --> 00:49:13,960
around the Last Supper and the and the

863
00:49:22,260 --> 00:49:17,020
crucifixion and the capturing of blood

864
00:49:27,270 --> 00:49:22,270
of Jesus that goes to joseph of

865
00:49:30,540 --> 00:49:27,280
arimathea legends and he is associated

866
00:49:34,110 --> 00:49:30,550
with the tribe of benjamin so there's a

867
00:49:40,890 --> 00:49:34,120
continuity in terms of the the eponym in

868
00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:40,900
terms of the the tribe of benjamin and

869
00:49:47,970 --> 00:49:42,730
benjamin not to forget was the younger

870
00:49:52,230 --> 00:49:47,980
brother of joseph and who was you know

871
00:49:54,510 --> 00:49:52,240
the child being born when Rachel died so

872
00:49:56,790 --> 00:49:54,520
going back to the question you know

873
00:50:02,190 --> 00:49:56,800
we've got we've got a chalice we've got

874
00:50:02,970 --> 00:50:02,200
a woman a mother but in the in the Grail

875
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:02,980
romance

876
00:50:09,750 --> 00:50:07,450
of Europe we also have a stone and it's

877
00:50:11,940 --> 00:50:09,760
very clear Wolfram von Eschenbach states

878
00:50:15,030 --> 00:50:11,950
explicitly that you know the the the

879
00:50:20,730 --> 00:50:15,040
this the the the stone is the Grail and

880
00:50:24,030 --> 00:50:20,740
the Grail is the stone so what stone are

881
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:24,040
we talking about the it's you know it

882
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:26,650
clearly has some concavity because it's

883
00:50:31,950 --> 00:50:29,170
what was also used to deliver roast lamb

884
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:31,960
or cooked lamb and you know at these

885
00:50:42,900 --> 00:50:40,450
kind of Templar like gatherings and so

886
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:42,910
we've got you know the Grail being a

887
00:50:49,020 --> 00:50:46,810
stone or stones and I would argue that

888
00:50:51,930 --> 00:50:49,030
it's the two stones it's the the pillow

889
00:50:54,599 --> 00:50:51,940
stone of Jacob and the the gravestone of

890
00:50:58,770 --> 00:50:54,609
Rachel that were in the ark that was

891
00:51:00,000 --> 00:50:58,780
carried by a frame in Egypt like you

892
00:51:02,490 --> 00:51:00,010
know they go to the Jewish encyclopedia

893
00:51:05,340 --> 00:51:02,500
there are several different sources for

894
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:05,350
this if if you look up Bethel or Bethel

895
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:07,690
the Bethel stones you know you know

896
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:10,570
you'll find this I'm not saying that

897
00:51:18,420 --> 00:51:14,970
this is biblical but it's certainly in

898
00:51:22,260 --> 00:51:18,430
Judaic tradition and it's referred to

899
00:51:26,220 --> 00:51:22,270
and in in other other Judaic sacred

900
00:51:29,099 --> 00:51:26,230
writs beyond you know the Bible so the

901
00:51:32,599 --> 00:51:29,109
you know the Holy Grail be is really a

902
00:51:38,430 --> 00:51:32,609
complex of objects and and and and

903
00:51:40,650 --> 00:51:38,440
entities and Anna and a great woman so

904
00:51:42,870 --> 00:51:40,660
to say you know where is it or do I

905
00:51:48,210 --> 00:51:42,880
think it's located here there are

906
00:51:51,900 --> 00:51:48,220
somewhere else is you know a question

907
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:51,910
that needs to be addressed to in

908
00:51:58,080 --> 00:51:55,210
relation to each of the Grail objects

909
00:52:02,400 --> 00:51:58,090
that have been identified one way or the

910
00:52:04,170 --> 00:52:02,410
other identified do you think it could

911
00:52:05,690 --> 00:52:04,180
be a series of items that are kept

912
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:05,700
together

913
00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:09,970
well well Rachel you know haunts us

914
00:52:18,289 --> 00:52:12,730
through the entire Bible so she may

915
00:52:22,319 --> 00:52:18,299
still be doing that the stone

916
00:52:25,259 --> 00:52:22,329
Rachel's stone and Jacobs Stone of

917
00:52:27,779 --> 00:52:25,269
Destiny and you know and each of these

918
00:52:30,269 --> 00:52:27,789
titles and references cause a huge

919
00:52:32,190 --> 00:52:30,279
amount of confusion Stone of Destiny you

920
00:52:35,130 --> 00:52:32,200
go to Edinboro you go up to the castle

921
00:52:38,099 --> 00:52:35,140
you see the the Stone of Destiny on

922
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:38,109
display well you know the great Joe Lang

923
00:52:42,410 --> 00:52:39,490
Master Mason

924
00:52:45,559 --> 00:52:42,420
you know expert on on Rosslyn Chapel

925
00:52:48,599 --> 00:52:45,569
probably the best guide they've ever had

926
00:52:50,910 --> 00:52:48,609
you know argues that that that's the

927
00:52:55,559 --> 00:52:50,920
most absurd notion that he had ever

928
00:52:58,289 --> 00:52:55,569
heard in his life that this the he calls

929
00:53:01,349 --> 00:52:58,299
it as the sewer cover this being is

930
00:53:02,430 --> 00:53:01,359
being called the Stone of Destiny when

931
00:53:06,420 --> 00:53:02,440
the Stone of Destiny

932
00:53:08,930 --> 00:53:06,430
identity is the pillow stone of Jacob so

933
00:53:12,079 --> 00:53:08,940
the pillar and that's not my you know

934
00:53:15,210 --> 00:53:12,089
discovery that's that's that's standard

935
00:53:19,140 --> 00:53:15,220
understanding the pillow stones are all

936
00:53:22,019 --> 00:53:19,150
concave they're small small you know in

937
00:53:24,839 --> 00:53:22,029
the sense of something you put your head

938
00:53:29,190 --> 00:53:24,849
into the back of your head in the nape

939
00:53:31,319 --> 00:53:29,200
of your neck and pillow stones for

940
00:53:33,089 --> 00:53:31,329
yourself throughout the Middle East and

941
00:53:35,940 --> 00:53:33,099
if you go to the Roman Church of Temple

942
00:53:39,779 --> 00:53:35,950
Church in London in that financial

943
00:53:45,329 --> 00:53:39,789
district you you find the Templars

944
00:53:47,999 --> 00:53:45,339
effigies heads on pillow stones the you

945
00:53:51,359 --> 00:53:48,009
know real pillow stones what like Jacob

946
00:53:55,589 --> 00:53:51,369
would have had so this great big huge

947
00:54:00,390 --> 00:53:55,599
you know monstrosity that's on display

948
00:54:03,390 --> 00:54:00,400
in the in in in in the in the castle or

949
00:54:07,109 --> 00:54:03,400
we're looking Edinburgh it's definitely

950
00:54:08,970 --> 00:54:07,119
not the Stone of Destiny it has been

951
00:54:11,970 --> 00:54:08,980
used and it's been put in the coronation

952
00:54:14,549 --> 00:54:11,980
chair underneath the seat you know for

953
00:54:16,769 --> 00:54:14,559
for for years and years and years but

954
00:54:20,609 --> 00:54:16,779
you know that's not the stone that the

955
00:54:22,620 --> 00:54:20,619
pict sat on you know when when there was

956
00:54:26,940 --> 00:54:22,630
coronation that's not the Stone of

957
00:54:29,759 --> 00:54:26,950
Destiny in terms of it being Jacob's

958
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:29,769
Pillow stone because let's not forget

959
00:54:33,020 --> 00:54:30,570
Jake

960
00:54:35,390 --> 00:54:33,030
stood the pillow stone upright that's

961
00:54:38,330 --> 00:54:35,400
why it's also called Evan Satya in

962
00:54:42,050 --> 00:54:38,340
Hebrew that means the stone standing

963
00:54:44,420 --> 00:54:42,060
upright and he poured anointing oil on

964
00:54:47,900 --> 00:54:44,430
it well if you look at how big the stone

965
00:54:51,470 --> 00:54:47,910
is in you know that so-called Stone of

966
00:54:53,450 --> 00:54:51,480
Destiny in in the castle overlooking

967
00:54:58,190 --> 00:54:53,460
Edinburgh there's no way he could have

968
00:54:59,420 --> 00:54:58,200
done that except by a miracle hmm and

969
00:55:00,200 --> 00:54:59,430
then he would have carried it around

970
00:55:03,650 --> 00:55:00,210
with him

971
00:55:05,870 --> 00:55:03,660
nor would anyone had been able to so you

972
00:55:08,330 --> 00:55:05,880
know that we get a situation here of a

973
00:55:11,420 --> 00:55:08,340
lot of legend and sacred red and

974
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:11,430
mythology and wishful thinking stirred

975
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:13,650
together and it's really hard to

976
00:55:18,980 --> 00:55:16,170
separate you know those those components

977
00:55:21,740 --> 00:55:18,990
from each other to make any sense out of

978
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:21,750
all of this the Stone of Destiny is

979
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:24,330
Jacob's Pillow stone so it's a stone

980
00:55:33,470 --> 00:55:29,690
that you know can be carried in one hand

981
00:55:38,780 --> 00:55:33,480
all pillow stones were were you know

982
00:55:40,970 --> 00:55:38,790
were portable and had concavity for the

983
00:55:47,090 --> 00:55:40,980
head so you could have a comfortable

984
00:55:48,950 --> 00:55:47,100
sleep in the desert I see now I do have

985
00:55:51,740 --> 00:55:48,960
a little bit of clarification from court

986
00:55:53,890 --> 00:55:51,750
on his question he said my research

987
00:55:56,540 --> 00:55:53,900
indicates a strong connection between

988
00:55:59,780 --> 00:55:56,550
Admiral Anson and Santiago de

989
00:56:03,320 --> 00:55:59,790
Compostella many scars Jacobites value

990
00:56:08,770 --> 00:56:03,330
displace above all reference Iago is

991
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:08,780
James in Latin and Spanish okay

992
00:56:17,350 --> 00:56:12,570
reference Iago is is James in Spanish

993
00:56:21,530 --> 00:56:17,360
and James

994
00:56:28,850 --> 00:56:21,540
Yago Iago is James in Spanish and Latin

995
00:56:32,050 --> 00:56:28,860
he says Iago is James in no Jacobus inch

996
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:32,060
economist is there is the linguistic

997
00:56:40,430 --> 00:56:36,480
trail gee you know Jay do you want to go

998
00:56:44,329 --> 00:56:40,440
over that James how this James come out

999
00:56:55,660 --> 00:56:44,339
of Jacob or our or yeah

1000
00:57:06,859 --> 00:56:59,569
Jacob or Jakob is called Jacobus or

1001
00:57:12,019 --> 00:57:06,869
yacouba's Jacobus becomes Yakima's and

1002
00:57:15,140 --> 00:57:12,029
yaw comas is what produces James in the

1003
00:57:25,759 --> 00:57:15,150
great old Latin concatenation along the

1004
00:57:30,339 --> 00:57:25,769
way I thought yoga was jock know we have

1005
00:57:33,979 --> 00:57:30,349
about a minute to go for the break so

1006
00:57:35,390 --> 00:57:33,989
I'm not sure if there's any more that

1007
00:57:40,249 --> 00:57:35,400
you want to say about that relationship

1008
00:57:44,359 --> 00:57:40,259
to the Jacobites and Santiago or if that

1009
00:57:46,249 --> 00:57:44,369
clarifies what he was getting at yeah I

1010
00:57:48,890 --> 00:57:46,259
well we'd have to get to the etymology

1011
00:57:51,469 --> 00:57:48,900
of these terms you know I think I need

1012
00:57:54,079 --> 00:57:51,479
to speak with him word correspond with

1013
00:57:56,870 --> 00:57:54,089
him directly on this too to get some

1014
00:57:59,599 --> 00:57:56,880
clarity I'm not disagreeing with you

1015
00:58:02,620 --> 00:57:59,609
know with Jacobite associations it's

1016
00:58:06,650 --> 00:58:02,630
it's what is the etymology of the terms

1017
00:58:09,229 --> 00:58:06,660
because he brought that up got it

1018
00:58:11,420 --> 00:58:09,239
and Jay you know Jacob becomes becomes

1019
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:11,430
James through this very convoluted

1020
00:58:19,609 --> 00:58:13,890
process in its jaqobis jack-jack

1021
00:58:22,759 --> 00:58:19,619
homeless ah he's a great go Latin you

1022
00:58:26,599 --> 00:58:22,769
know concatenation of the name into into

1023
00:58:29,019 --> 00:58:26,609
Europe and what ends up as James I've

1024
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:29,029
got a counter theory to that theory that

1025
00:58:33,170 --> 00:58:31,650
can you hold that for just till we get

1026
00:58:35,180 --> 00:58:33,180
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1027
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1028
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01:03:01,170 --> 01:02:55,510
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01:03:03,210 --> 01:03:01,180
hi Rach hey welcome back we're heading

1115
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:03,220
into the final half-hour of night-vision

1116
01:03:09,529 --> 01:03:06,730
radio I'm your host Renee Barnett and we

1117
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:09,539
are talking with Louis buff Perry about

1118
01:03:17,309 --> 01:03:13,690
his so germs and his work his research

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01:03:21,710 --> 01:03:17,319
his discoveries and his code-breaking

1120
01:03:24,359 --> 01:03:21,720
so yeah I don't know whether that

1121
01:03:27,359 --> 01:03:24,369
clarified anything for you regarding the

1122
01:03:31,019 --> 01:03:27,369
Santiago de Compostella question but I

1123
01:03:32,519 --> 01:03:31,029
think you guys can as you said you know

1124
01:03:34,559 --> 01:03:32,529
maybe you'll need some clarification you

1125
01:03:37,769 --> 01:03:34,569
can you can check with each other off

1126
01:03:40,620 --> 01:03:37,779
the air yeah it's a parallel question to

1127
01:03:43,349 --> 01:03:40,630
the to the central subjects that we're

1128
01:03:44,069 --> 01:03:43,359
we're talking about right now and it is

1129
01:03:45,990 --> 01:03:44,079
important

1130
01:03:47,940 --> 01:03:46,000
there's no question about it but there's

1131
01:03:50,819 --> 01:03:47,950
there's a whole lot more to cover I

1132
01:03:54,930 --> 01:03:50,829
think in terms of the two you know the

1133
01:03:59,700 --> 01:03:54,940
the the two intrigues the the you know

1134
01:04:01,980 --> 01:03:59,710
the the money pit and and Jacobites and

1135
01:04:03,690 --> 01:04:01,990
you know what all of what were what

1136
01:04:06,930 --> 01:04:03,700
we're discussing the decipherment of the

1137
01:04:09,839 --> 01:04:06,940
code but just really quickly on on on

1138
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:09,849
some of these name confusions you know

1139
01:04:14,849 --> 01:04:12,250
it is believed that James the name James

1140
01:04:17,849 --> 01:04:14,859
comes from this this kind of very

1141
01:04:22,529 --> 01:04:17,859
convoluted route of the of the term

1142
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:22,539
Jacob or Jakob Jakob us too Yakima's

1143
01:04:29,249 --> 01:04:25,930
yeah chromeless then producing James my

1144
01:04:31,769 --> 01:04:29,259
issue with that ultimately is you know

1145
01:04:36,089 --> 01:04:31,779
the brother of Jesus was James and James

1146
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:36,099
was the first congregation leader of the

1147
01:04:42,630 --> 01:04:39,250
Church in you know in the in the Holy

1148
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:42,640
Land we're not talking Peter now and so

1149
01:04:49,799 --> 01:04:47,650
James as a the John JAMA is rooted in

1150
01:04:52,110 --> 01:04:49,809
Semitic languages and it means the

1151
01:04:55,980 --> 01:04:52,120
congregation

1152
01:04:58,200 --> 01:04:55,990
and my my issue is you know a lot of

1153
01:05:03,330 --> 01:04:58,210
people miss translate through history

1154
01:05:05,850 --> 01:05:03,340
and sometimes we get stuck in a

1155
01:05:07,970 --> 01:05:05,860
mistranslation and we assume like some

1156
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:07,980
paradigms never leave when they

1157
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:11,850
frequently proven you know incorrect

1158
01:05:17,430 --> 01:05:15,010
sometimes translations stay even if

1159
01:05:20,730 --> 01:05:17,440
they're not correct because no one's

1160
01:05:23,390 --> 01:05:20,740
challenging any of it but but you know

1161
01:05:28,140 --> 01:05:23,400
the fact is that James

1162
01:05:33,450 --> 01:05:28,150
sounds more like JAMA or jum then it

1163
01:05:35,460 --> 01:05:33,460
does Jacob yes and that and after all

1164
01:05:41,430 --> 01:05:35,470
the first the first prayer leader was

1165
01:05:44,460 --> 01:05:41,440
you know James James and it's said to

1166
01:05:46,110 --> 01:05:44,470
have been selected to continue the

1167
01:05:48,750 --> 01:05:46,120
church or be the head of the church or

1168
01:05:51,390 --> 01:05:48,760
be the head of the Jesus Movement mm-hmm

1169
01:05:55,650 --> 01:05:51,400
after Jesus was gone is that correct so

1170
01:05:58,140 --> 01:05:55,660
how did you get Peter well Petros is

1171
01:06:00,390 --> 01:05:58,150
where Peter comes from and and you know

1172
01:06:03,420 --> 01:06:00,400
that's Simon right if Peters receive his

1173
01:06:05,730 --> 01:06:03,430
name was Simon and Jesus makes reference

1174
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:05,740
to this will take us back to Nicolas

1175
01:06:10,620 --> 01:06:08,650
Poussin because he does a painting of

1176
01:06:12,930 --> 01:06:10,630
Peter with something written across

1177
01:06:15,810 --> 01:06:12,940
Peters forehead this is in Edinboro it's

1178
01:06:17,220 --> 01:06:15,820
and it's in the the room of paintings of

1179
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:17,230
Nicolas Poussin this of all the

1180
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:19,690
sacraments mm-hmm and Nicolas Poussin

1181
01:06:24,930 --> 01:06:21,730
painted all the sacraments he paints

1182
01:06:27,030 --> 01:06:24,940
across Peter's forehead you know a word

1183
01:06:33,420 --> 01:06:27,040
that has nothing to do with Peter

1184
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:33,430
it's Kiba and and you know campus the

1185
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:35,050
head of the Sanhedrin the head of the

1186
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:38,650
priesthood comes from it's a it's a

1187
01:06:48,270 --> 01:06:44,650
great Latinization of kippah k+ and that

1188
01:06:51,690 --> 01:06:48,280
you know that means head the second

1189
01:06:55,830 --> 01:06:51,700
meaning in hebrew of it is is rock or

1190
01:07:01,920 --> 01:06:55,840
stone in greek rock or stone is petrol

1191
01:07:04,380 --> 01:07:01,930
or petrol and Peter comes from that well

1192
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:04,390
you know I think that there's a there's

1193
01:07:09,450 --> 01:07:05,890
a verse it says you know

1194
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:09,460
something about oh gosh now I can't

1195
01:07:14,630 --> 01:07:11,770
remember but something about Peter and

1196
01:07:17,790 --> 01:07:14,640
upon this rock I will build my church

1197
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:17,800
right so it's not rock it's it's upon

1198
01:07:23,130 --> 01:07:20,650
this head this campus this new campus

1199
01:07:26,130 --> 01:07:23,140
this new head of the priesthood Peter or

1200
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:26,140
Simon so it because of the

1201
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:30,090
mistranslation we're stuck with Peter

1202
01:07:39,420 --> 01:07:36,690
but was it was it Simon or was it James

1203
01:07:42,780 --> 01:07:39,430
yeah well it was both well you know one

1204
01:07:44,940 --> 01:07:42,790
state and one took it on a mission hmm

1205
01:07:52,230 --> 01:07:44,950
but because because you know Peter ends

1206
01:07:57,810 --> 01:07:52,240
up crucified in Rome all right but would

1207
01:08:01,010 --> 01:07:57,820
it have been what did he have been James

1208
01:08:04,380 --> 01:08:01,020
that was the natural or the the choice

1209
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:04,390
for leading the church or whether we're

1210
01:08:11,670 --> 01:08:07,650
in two different places here the

1211
01:08:13,410 --> 01:08:11,680
Apostles carried it outward you know I

1212
01:08:15,180 --> 01:08:13,420
mean when you look at what Paul did and

1213
01:08:16,890 --> 01:08:15,190
that's another story altogether but you

1214
01:08:18,890 --> 01:08:16,900
know there's one that stays at home and

1215
01:08:21,660 --> 01:08:18,900
will and the rest would go wandering

1216
01:08:25,710 --> 01:08:21,670
spreading the word the good word as it's

1217
01:08:28,430 --> 01:08:25,720
translated into so you know you can't

1218
01:08:32,910 --> 01:08:28,440
have one person doing all those things

1219
01:08:36,570 --> 01:08:32,920
sure sure yeah but when we talk about

1220
01:08:38,580 --> 01:08:36,580
the church today mm-hmm you know the

1221
01:08:43,110 --> 01:08:38,590
line of succession comes from Peter not

1222
01:08:45,510 --> 01:08:43,120
James so how did that happen with the

1223
01:08:48,420 --> 01:08:45,520
light of papal succession of papal

1224
01:08:50,370 --> 01:08:48,430
succession right and that's because you

1225
01:08:52,940 --> 01:08:50,380
know of where he ends up being crucified

1226
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:52,950
in Rome

1227
01:08:59,640 --> 01:08:57,130
mm-hmm and that's where the Vatican is I

1228
01:09:04,290 --> 01:08:59,650
see yeah so that's how that happened

1229
01:09:06,810 --> 01:09:04,300
yeah but the issue the issue that I kind

1230
01:09:09,060 --> 01:09:06,820
of misunderstood a little bit when when

1231
01:09:11,790 --> 01:09:09,070
when the question about you know the the

1232
01:09:13,440 --> 01:09:11,800
Grail came up I was thinking God still

1233
01:09:14,970 --> 01:09:13,450
about the money pit and what's supposed

1234
01:09:17,550 --> 01:09:14,980
to be buried down there and there's the

1235
01:09:19,290 --> 01:09:17,560
argument that you know there may well be

1236
01:09:21,060 --> 01:09:19,300
also the are

1237
01:09:23,550 --> 01:09:21,070
the Covenant buried down there which

1238
01:09:25,650 --> 01:09:23,560
sounds preposterous in in so many ways

1239
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:25,660
but when you when you you know try to

1240
01:09:31,530 --> 01:09:29,010
think about it logically and reasonably

1241
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:31,540
there is a there there is an argument

1242
01:09:39,290 --> 01:09:35,290
that can be made Nebuchadnezzar

1243
01:09:44,010 --> 01:09:39,300
destroyed the temple the Babylonian

1244
01:09:45,780 --> 01:09:44,020
Emperor and that's the last anybody ever

1245
01:09:48,380 --> 01:09:45,790
heard of the Ark of the Covenant well he

1246
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:48,390
had access to all the Phoenician ships

1247
01:09:56,610 --> 01:09:52,530
and Phoenician ships we know were

1248
01:09:58,790 --> 01:09:56,620
virtually circumnavigating the globe at

1249
01:10:01,290 --> 01:09:58,800
that time so there there's a there's a

1250
01:10:03,660 --> 01:10:01,300
reasonable you know argument the

1251
01:10:06,500 --> 01:10:03,670
question is did where did the pit come

1252
01:10:10,170 --> 01:10:06,510
from then you know was it constructed by

1253
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:10,180
you know but by Nebuchadnezzar's forces

1254
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:12,370
on Phoenician ships bearing the Ark of

1255
01:10:16,890 --> 01:10:14,890
the Covenant and hiding it there or you

1256
01:10:19,710 --> 01:10:16,900
know just what are we talking about when

1257
01:10:23,670 --> 01:10:19,720
you when you when you see the the new

1258
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:23,680
series on on the that's called the curse

1259
01:10:32,850 --> 01:10:28,090
of Oak Island and there's been two

1260
01:10:37,610 --> 01:10:32,860
episodes or two seasons of it they in I

1261
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:37,620
think it's episode three of the second

1262
01:10:43,020 --> 01:10:41,010
season the one that's just ending now

1263
01:10:46,770 --> 01:10:43,030
that is called the eight pointed star

1264
01:10:50,730 --> 01:10:46,780
and it's a it's an argument given about

1265
01:10:53,580 --> 01:10:50,740
a petroglyph that has a kind of a

1266
01:10:58,590 --> 01:10:53,590
carving of of a very very strange

1267
01:11:01,740 --> 01:10:58,600
octagon that just happens to be a very

1268
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:01,750
very close in form to the star of asher

1269
01:11:10,860 --> 01:11:04,810
and the start of a sure what was the

1270
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:10,870
star of the assyrians and you know so

1271
01:11:18,900 --> 01:11:15,370
i'm working on a project that deals with

1272
01:11:21,870 --> 01:11:18,910
chief joseph little little clay baked

1273
01:11:24,780 --> 01:11:21,880
tablet that has a kunia form inscription

1274
01:11:27,180 --> 01:11:24,790
it was taken from him in 1877 so making

1275
01:11:28,650 --> 01:11:27,190
a link to these octagons and the star of

1276
01:11:32,610 --> 01:11:28,660
asher and the star that's supposed to be

1277
01:11:33,150 --> 01:11:32,620
close to the money pit you're talking

1278
01:11:34,950 --> 01:11:33,160
about tea

1279
01:11:38,730 --> 01:11:34,960
Joseph of the Nez Perce tribe right

1280
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:38,740
exactly exactly who was arrested in 1877

1281
01:11:45,300 --> 01:11:42,970
and and his his medicine bag was

1282
01:11:47,910 --> 01:11:45,310
confiscated from him by General u.s.

1283
01:11:51,870 --> 01:11:47,920
army general miles it was deposited at

1284
01:11:55,230 --> 01:11:51,880
West Point but that in in the money bag

1285
01:12:00,360 --> 01:11:55,240
was this little Kunia form inscribed

1286
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:00,370
clay baked tablet and what's interesting

1287
01:12:08,100 --> 01:12:04,530
is that as the Chief Joseph also had a

1288
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:08,110
star of a sure beaded onto a pouch that

1289
01:12:14,100 --> 01:12:11,650
he wore on his belt so there's a big

1290
01:12:16,860 --> 01:12:14,110
mystery around Chief Joseph of the Nez

1291
01:12:20,250 --> 01:12:16,870
Perce having this this star of a sure

1292
01:12:25,140 --> 01:12:20,260
beaded into a pouch that he wears and

1293
01:12:28,290 --> 01:12:25,150
he's bearing a related Assyrian kunio

1294
01:12:31,380 --> 01:12:28,300
form inscribed clay baked tablet and it

1295
01:12:37,170 --> 01:12:31,390
turns out that you know Asher the

1296
01:12:41,100 --> 01:12:37,180
capital of Assyria wasn't even excavated

1297
01:12:44,490 --> 01:12:41,110
until around 1900 16,000 tablets were

1298
01:12:46,410 --> 01:12:44,500
found in the excavation and proliferated

1299
01:12:49,230 --> 01:12:46,420
all over the place so people when people

1300
01:12:51,510 --> 01:12:49,240
learn about Chief Joseph having this and

1301
01:12:53,670 --> 01:12:51,520
it's been vetted it's been translated by

1302
01:12:56,700 --> 01:12:53,680
professionals no one's thinking it's a

1303
01:12:59,280 --> 01:12:56,710
hoax but the argument given about why he

1304
01:13:02,840 --> 01:12:59,290
ends up with it is that well there were

1305
01:13:05,850 --> 01:13:02,850
all these tablets being passed around

1306
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:05,860
but they weren't they hadn't been found

1307
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:09,250
yet the the 16,000 cuneiform inscribed

1308
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:12,250
tablets associated with Asher as in the

1309
01:13:17,550 --> 01:13:15,370
start of Asher Jed that I just referred

1310
01:13:21,900 --> 01:13:17,560
to those didn't those were not even

1311
01:13:26,010 --> 01:13:21,910
revealed or discovered until 1900 by

1312
01:13:31,620 --> 01:13:26,020
German archaeologists and this this is

1313
01:13:34,470 --> 01:13:31,630
well documented so the you know there is

1314
01:13:37,770 --> 01:13:34,480
an argument that can be made that you

1315
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:37,780
know that it could be that that before

1316
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:41,650
the Jacobites before these concepción

1317
01:13:47,430 --> 01:13:45,130
went on to a coral reef and you know all

1318
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:47,440
the silver was delivered to

1319
01:13:51,090 --> 01:13:49,570
King James the second in the gold some

1320
01:13:54,180 --> 01:13:51,100
say was supposed to go to William of

1321
01:13:57,330 --> 01:13:54,190
Orange or two or two every reinstated

1322
01:14:01,050 --> 01:13:57,340
King James you know it that before all

1323
01:14:03,660 --> 01:14:01,060
of that there was still a pit and it was

1324
01:14:06,330 --> 01:14:03,670
it was used to hide you know very

1325
01:14:08,820 --> 01:14:06,340
valuable objects in what you know one of

1326
01:14:15,180 --> 01:14:08,830
the most important points to all of this

1327
01:14:18,750 --> 01:14:15,190
is one has to answered you know this

1328
01:14:22,290 --> 01:14:18,760
question to I think be able to really

1329
01:14:24,390 --> 01:14:22,300
justify the argument that that gold was

1330
01:14:32,700 --> 01:14:24,400
put into the pit for this purpose of

1331
01:14:38,870 --> 01:14:32,710
William of Orange the the gold the gold

1332
01:14:44,370 --> 01:14:38,880
was put into the pit in this theory by

1333
01:14:46,290 --> 01:14:44,380
by Sir William Phips who then you know

1334
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:46,300
who had retrieved the gold after all of

1335
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:48,850
this business with the silver in 1687 in

1336
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:52,570
1688 he's he's got the gold now and he's

1337
01:14:55,790 --> 01:14:54,850
stashing it in the pit this is not my

1338
01:15:00,630 --> 01:14:55,800
theory but it's theirs

1339
01:15:03,860 --> 01:15:00,640
to to to secure William of Orange on the

1340
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:03,870
throne but here's the problem

1341
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:07,170
there was an indigenous Native

1342
01:15:15,919 --> 01:15:12,730
Confederacy called the Wabanaki and and

1343
01:15:20,459 --> 01:15:15,929
the McMath who who were the dominant

1344
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:20,469
First Nation of Nova Scotia including

1345
01:15:26,490 --> 01:15:22,810
the money pit were part of the Wabanaki

1346
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:26,500
Confederacy they cited exclusively with

1347
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:31,090
the French the the indigenous peoples

1348
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:32,770
who sided with the English were called

1349
01:15:38,430 --> 01:15:35,130
the the Iroquois Confederacy

1350
01:15:41,580 --> 01:15:38,440
there is no way there's no possible way

1351
01:15:49,500 --> 01:15:41,590
that the Wabanaki Confederacy members

1352
01:15:53,250 --> 01:15:49,510
would have allowed pro English people to

1353
01:15:54,540 --> 01:15:53,260
take the the gold out of if it was there

1354
01:15:59,130 --> 01:15:54,550
to begin with it's okay if it was

1355
01:16:02,790 --> 01:15:59,140
stashed there in hiding to take it out

1356
01:16:05,550 --> 01:16:02,800
for a William of Orange or even to put

1357
01:16:10,770 --> 01:16:05,560
it in for a William of Orange it would

1358
01:16:14,070 --> 01:16:10,780
have had to have been secured for for

1359
01:16:15,900 --> 01:16:14,080
King James the second because the the

1360
01:16:16,620 --> 01:16:15,910
Wabanaki Confederacy wouldn't have had

1361
01:16:21,450 --> 01:16:16,630
it any other way

1362
01:16:25,260 --> 01:16:21,460
well no the Iroquois were backing the

1363
01:16:27,930 --> 01:16:25,270
English right right and I think the

1364
01:16:30,980 --> 01:16:27,940
Iroquois nation there's a relationship

1365
01:16:33,180 --> 01:16:30,990
between them and the Cherokee Nation

1366
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:33,190
right because they were the Cherokee are

1367
01:16:37,290 --> 01:16:33,850
Heraklion

1368
01:16:41,100 --> 01:16:37,300
yes absolutely and I always thought

1369
01:16:44,480 --> 01:16:41,110
there was some you know possibility that

1370
01:16:47,430 --> 01:16:44,490
some things might have been brought down

1371
01:16:50,340 --> 01:16:47,440
to the Cherokee people or somewhere in

1372
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:50,350
that region where they ultimately ended

1373
01:16:56,850 --> 01:16:54,730
up Oklahoma in Arkansas but you know

1374
01:17:00,840 --> 01:16:56,860
that's another that's a conversation for

1375
01:17:02,700 --> 01:17:00,850
another day but well they don't like we

1376
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:02,710
can't forget that that Trail of Tears

1377
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:04,930
and you know the the mixture of these

1378
01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:07,810
First Nations was was amazing and it is

1379
01:17:13,140 --> 01:17:10,170
the Delaware are associated with the

1380
01:17:16,020 --> 01:17:13,150
Cherokee and yet the Delaware our

1381
01:17:19,050 --> 01:17:16,030
Iroquois are Algonquian we and that's

1382
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:19,060
what the Wabanaki Confederacy was where

1383
01:17:23,790 --> 01:17:22,090
the with the Mohawk and the nothing why

1384
01:17:26,510 --> 01:17:23,800
shouldn't soar the Maquis into this but

1385
01:17:29,130 --> 01:17:26,520
but the Cherokee were were Iroquois on

1386
01:17:31,710 --> 01:17:29,140
and yet they you know they had to

1387
01:17:36,090 --> 01:17:31,720
coexist because they because they had to

1388
01:17:37,440 --> 01:17:36,100
come and you know oppressor it much so

1389
01:17:41,070 --> 01:17:37,450
much of this is going to be fleshed out

1390
01:17:44,490 --> 01:17:41,080
in in my new YouTube channel that we

1391
01:17:46,650 --> 01:17:44,500
haven't put anything into yet I've got a

1392
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:46,660
group of students who put up a YouTube

1393
01:17:52,650 --> 01:17:49,810
channel called truth in the buff for my

1394
01:17:58,080 --> 01:17:52,660
work and is it gonna be truth in the

1395
01:18:00,660 --> 01:17:58,090
buff calm or I'm not sure well it's

1396
01:18:03,150 --> 01:18:00,670
already it's already now secured and I I

1397
01:18:05,700 --> 01:18:03,160
don't however you get into YouTube and

1398
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:05,710
all of that is in in terms of finding

1399
01:18:11,970 --> 01:18:09,130
the names of channels yeah I'm gonna be

1400
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:11,980
a YouTube channel for just yours okay so

1401
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:12,570
they

1402
01:18:17,370 --> 01:18:14,890
it's not like but you know that these

1403
01:18:20,670 --> 01:18:17,380
agility is posted on YouTube

1404
01:18:23,580 --> 01:18:20,680
independently on its own and it's not in

1405
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:23,590
a channel so you know then that's gone

1406
01:18:30,450 --> 01:18:27,730
viral and I and I'm trusting and hoping

1407
01:18:32,610 --> 01:18:30,460
that that the channel does as well or

1408
01:18:34,050 --> 01:18:32,620
better I'm hoping much better because

1409
01:18:36,930 --> 01:18:34,060
you're going to find a whole lot more

1410
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:36,940
information that is concise and maybe

1411
01:18:42,030 --> 01:18:39,730
much clearer than its given Inlet e-cig

1412
01:18:45,510 --> 01:18:42,040
zilla's so I would encourage any

1413
01:18:49,530 --> 01:18:45,520
listeners to - to really go toward the

1414
01:18:53,090 --> 01:18:49,540
channel for for the new updated

1415
01:18:56,100 --> 01:18:53,100
information that is Inlet e-cigs illus

1416
01:18:59,700 --> 01:18:56,110
but it's going to be you know much much

1417
01:19:03,720 --> 01:18:59,710
more much tighter you know much more

1418
01:19:08,730 --> 01:19:03,730
grounded much more verifiable and and

1419
01:19:10,830 --> 01:19:08,740
more deeply researched Wow so now you so

1420
01:19:12,420 --> 01:19:10,840
so we're gonna be looking for that for

1421
01:19:16,710 --> 01:19:12,430
that new channel now you have a website

1422
01:19:19,020 --> 01:19:16,720
Louis buff Perry calm so perhaps you

1423
01:19:21,450 --> 01:19:19,030
know also maybe there will they'll post

1424
01:19:22,980 --> 01:19:21,460
about the YouTube channel I hope but he

1425
01:19:25,380 --> 01:19:22,990
should be able just to go on youtube and

1426
01:19:26,670 --> 01:19:25,390
do a search for you yeah I think that's

1427
01:19:29,550 --> 01:19:26,680
probably the best way to did they I'm

1428
01:19:33,150 --> 01:19:29,560
not I haven't updated that that site and

1429
01:19:35,910 --> 01:19:33,160
you know it's just a long story my whole

1430
01:19:37,590 --> 01:19:35,920
life was a hard story is I haven't been

1431
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:37,600
able to tend to the site I've got a

1432
01:19:40,500 --> 01:19:38,890
group of students who want to do the

1433
01:19:42,870 --> 01:19:40,510
YouTube channel I'm putting everything

1434
01:19:45,270 --> 01:19:42,880
toward the YouTube channel now not to it

1435
01:19:46,950 --> 01:19:45,280
not to the Louis very calm although

1436
01:19:50,220 --> 01:19:46,960
there's an awful lot of good information

1437
01:19:53,270 --> 01:19:50,230
in there in terms of in terms of a

1438
01:19:57,270 --> 01:19:53,280
global speaking tour that I had no

1439
01:19:59,550 --> 01:19:57,280
speaking of that any upcoming events or

1440
01:20:02,070 --> 01:19:59,560
you're gonna be presenting we'd like to

1441
01:20:03,450 --> 01:20:02,080
know about that and you know if you have

1442
01:20:05,460 --> 01:20:03,460
anything coming up don't you have

1443
01:20:09,690 --> 01:20:05,470
something coming up this idea on the

1444
01:20:12,630 --> 01:20:09,700
28th the chief Chief Jim badger sucker

1445
01:20:16,310 --> 01:20:12,640
Creek First Nation which is north of

1446
01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:16,320
where I live here in Edmonton is hosting

1447
01:20:20,070 --> 01:20:17,890
presentation that I'm going to give

1448
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:20,080
about about the artifacts that have been

1449
01:20:25,590 --> 01:20:23,290
found and vetted that have kunio forum

1450
01:20:26,359 --> 01:20:25,600
inscriptions one is a LED tablet from

1451
01:20:29,310 --> 01:20:26,369
George

1452
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:29,320
we have chief Joseph's tablet we've also

1453
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:33,010
got an interesting pre Kunia form

1454
01:20:38,310 --> 01:20:36,610
Dillman inscribed tab not tablet but

1455
01:20:42,570 --> 01:20:38,320
iron stone that was found on Shawnee

1456
01:20:44,729 --> 01:20:42,580
Creek in Oklahoma and so me I'm going to

1457
01:20:47,370 --> 01:20:44,739
be presenting all of that and I'm going

1458
01:20:51,390 --> 01:20:47,380
to add a little bit more in terms of the

1459
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:51,400
the incredible and and verified Konya

1460
01:20:55,609 --> 01:20:53,530
form inscribed artifacts that have been

1461
01:20:58,879 --> 01:20:55,619
found in Peru and Bolivia

1462
01:21:02,250 --> 01:20:58,889
now how amazing that is

1463
01:21:04,530 --> 01:21:02,260
Kunia form is the earliest form of

1464
01:21:07,590 --> 01:21:04,540
writing known is that correct or or not

1465
01:21:10,140 --> 01:21:07,600
well it depends on how you do how you

1466
01:21:13,500 --> 01:21:10,150
define writing you know what how do we

1467
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:13,510
define writing cuneiform precedes

1468
01:21:22,910 --> 01:21:19,570
Egyptian hieroglyphs yes but but so what

1469
01:21:27,870 --> 01:21:22,920
are all of those petroglyphs sites and

1470
01:21:29,370 --> 01:21:27,880
pictographs sites bearing if not some

1471
01:21:31,379 --> 01:21:29,380
kind of writing form there's something

1472
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:31,389
called Great Basin curvilinear I decoded

1473
01:21:38,490 --> 01:21:35,170
that that is in the deals with the way

1474
01:21:43,050 --> 01:21:38,500
that the the the first nations of the

1475
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:43,060
American Northwest recorded directions

1476
01:21:51,450 --> 01:21:47,770
trails undulations and and topography of

1477
01:21:55,649 --> 01:21:51,460
land and and you know that's a form of

1478
01:21:57,090 --> 01:21:55,659
writing so the yeah I can uniform has

1479
01:21:59,399 --> 01:21:57,100
been considered the oldest form of

1480
01:22:02,129 --> 01:21:59,409
writing you're quite right that it has

1481
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:02,139
been considered that but now Dillman has

1482
01:22:09,870 --> 01:22:05,650
been deciphered by dr. ali akbar

1483
01:22:12,510 --> 01:22:09,880
Boucherie of bahrain and i have it maybe

1484
01:22:15,300 --> 01:22:12,520
I should make mention of this I was I

1485
01:22:19,740 --> 01:22:15,310
was given a section of the cofferdam of

1486
01:22:21,359 --> 01:22:19,750
Oak Island to present to a sheikh of the

1487
01:22:23,100 --> 01:22:21,369
Kingdom of Bahrain Rob this would be the

1488
01:22:27,390 --> 01:22:23,110
brother-in-law the King of Bahrain which

1489
01:22:30,810 --> 01:22:27,400
I did in April of this year shaked ways

1490
01:22:35,129 --> 01:22:30,820
Al Khalifa is his name there's interest

1491
01:22:37,589 --> 01:22:35,139
in what it what the next step really has

1492
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:37,599
to be at Oak Island and the money pit

1493
01:22:39,959 --> 01:22:39,489
which is to have a freeze-frame or

1494
01:22:43,950 --> 01:22:39,969
circle

1495
01:22:45,270 --> 01:22:43,960
rame to keep the water out of the money

1496
01:22:46,129 --> 01:22:45,280
pit so you can get right down to the

1497
01:22:48,569 --> 01:22:46,139
bottom of it

1498
01:22:51,209 --> 01:22:48,579
that's it's going to cost tens of

1499
01:22:53,100 --> 01:22:51,219
millions we're sort of flipping it maybe

1500
01:22:55,950 --> 01:22:53,110
for back to front but our front to back

1501
01:22:59,520 --> 01:22:55,960
I should say but can you just describe

1502
01:23:03,239 --> 01:22:59,530
what the money pit is to people that may

1503
01:23:05,819 --> 01:23:03,249
not know well and what's the size of it

1504
01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:05,829
what is it look like okay seventeen

1505
01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:08,530
seventeen ninety five too young too

1506
01:23:15,750 --> 01:23:13,090
young fellows discovered it over time

1507
01:23:19,350 --> 01:23:15,760
different groups have excavated and

1508
01:23:21,239 --> 01:23:19,360
tried to excavate it they have they have

1509
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:21,249
found that there are there are platforms

1510
01:23:27,779 --> 01:23:24,130
made of logs every ten feet

1511
01:23:30,299 --> 01:23:27,789
approximately so ninety feet down there

1512
01:23:32,399 --> 01:23:30,309
was this stone tablet found with the

1513
01:23:36,540 --> 01:23:32,409
recording that talks about you know much

1514
01:23:39,750 --> 01:23:36,550
deeper as X amount of gold there some

1515
01:23:41,910 --> 01:23:39,760
say that a parchment you know associated

1516
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:41,920
with with William Shakespeare and Queen

1517
01:23:47,669 --> 01:23:44,530
Elizabeth was found there one thing a

1518
01:23:50,009 --> 01:23:47,679
certain coins have been found Spanish

1519
01:23:53,609 --> 01:23:50,019
coins and dating to the exactly

1520
01:24:00,569 --> 01:23:53,619
appropriate time when when the

1521
01:24:02,580 --> 01:24:00,579
concepción ran onto coral reef so I I

1522
01:24:04,529 --> 01:24:02,590
keep going back to that you know the

1523
01:24:07,229 --> 01:24:04,539
earlier the early possibilities I'm not

1524
01:24:09,390 --> 01:24:07,239
ruling out its it's a little bit

1525
01:24:11,189 --> 01:24:09,400
far-fetched to think that the Ark of the

1526
01:24:13,589 --> 01:24:11,199
Covenant is at the bottom but there is

1527
01:24:15,419 --> 01:24:13,599
an argument that can be constructed you

1528
01:24:21,209 --> 01:24:15,429
know that is sound and reasonable and it

1529
01:24:24,569 --> 01:24:21,219
makes sense the Medaille trying to get

1530
01:24:26,609 --> 01:24:24,579
to the base of the money pit what did

1531
01:24:27,870 --> 01:24:26,619
they have it they died from cave-ins and

1532
01:24:31,649 --> 01:24:27,880
yep

1533
01:24:33,390 --> 01:24:31,659
yeah collapses he it you know it's it's

1534
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:33,400
it's it's a couple hundred feet plus

1535
01:24:40,890 --> 01:24:38,170
down you know in depth and and it has

1536
01:24:44,100 --> 01:24:40,900
all these booby traps

1537
01:24:45,660 --> 01:24:44,110
where where where you know flood or it

1538
01:24:47,879 --> 01:24:45,670
gets flooded because somebody has

1539
01:24:51,359 --> 01:24:47,889
tripped a device that allows for the

1540
01:24:53,370 --> 01:24:51,369
floodwaters to to to pour in weren't

1541
01:24:53,730 --> 01:24:53,380
they weren't the Knights Templar known

1542
01:24:57,420 --> 01:24:53,740
to have

1543
01:25:00,090 --> 01:24:57,430
have done that that's that that's the

1544
01:25:02,010 --> 01:25:00,100
Templar theory that that's the - I'm not

1545
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:02,020
saying that there's nothing they had

1546
01:25:06,990 --> 01:25:04,170
anything to do with with with Oak Island

1547
01:25:09,180 --> 01:25:07,000
necessarily but I'm just saying it's

1548
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:09,190
reminiscent to me of other stories I've

1549
01:25:14,340 --> 01:25:11,050
heard about other locations such as down

1550
01:25:17,370 --> 01:25:14,350
in southwest France where things were

1551
01:25:21,930 --> 01:25:17,380
supposed to have been buried or held for

1552
01:25:23,430 --> 01:25:21,940
at least a time but the word is you know

1553
01:25:25,260 --> 01:25:23,440
you have to be really careful when you

1554
01:25:28,110 --> 01:25:25,270
go down through these caves in these

1555
01:25:31,290 --> 01:25:28,120
these places because a lot of them were

1556
01:25:34,530 --> 01:25:31,300
booby-trapped and if you go down you

1557
01:25:37,260 --> 01:25:34,540
know at the wrong time the water can

1558
01:25:41,070 --> 01:25:37,270
just come and fill up the whole thing

1559
01:25:43,980 --> 01:25:41,080
and drown you so I'm wondering maybe

1560
01:25:46,290 --> 01:25:43,990
this was something not just the Templars

1561
01:25:48,450 --> 01:25:46,300
did of course but I just that just

1562
01:25:51,180 --> 01:25:48,460
reminded me of that is there any

1563
01:25:59,040 --> 01:25:51,190
evidence that there was a Templar

1564
01:26:01,650 --> 01:25:59,050
element to it good question I have a

1565
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:01,660
personal view that that it is almost

1566
01:26:05,010 --> 01:26:03,250
certain that there would have been

1567
01:26:07,860 --> 01:26:05,020
Templars coming over here

1568
01:26:10,620 --> 01:26:07,870
if Vikings could create settlements in

1569
01:26:12,570 --> 01:26:10,630
the same area you know around in close

1570
01:26:15,570 --> 01:26:12,580
to Nova Scotia

1571
01:26:18,210 --> 01:26:15,580
why would Templars not have found their

1572
01:26:20,130 --> 01:26:18,220
way here it doesn't make any sense

1573
01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:20,140
Templars could commandeer as well as

1574
01:26:24,150 --> 01:26:22,210
anyone else the other kind of ships that

1575
01:26:26,220 --> 01:26:24,160
could have brought them over the

1576
01:26:29,610 --> 01:26:26,230
argument is did they ended up with the

1577
01:26:34,410 --> 01:26:29,620
Ark of the Covenant and I was in the I

1578
01:26:38,580 --> 01:26:34,420
was in Solomon stables in the early 90s

1579
01:26:41,700 --> 01:26:38,590
where they excavated trying to find the

1580
01:26:44,730 --> 01:26:41,710
Ark of the Covenant no one knows if they

1581
01:26:47,370 --> 01:26:44,740
did or didn't find the Ark with any

1582
01:26:50,490 --> 01:26:47,380
certainty it's known that there was a

1583
01:26:53,790 --> 01:26:50,500
there was a plan of Solomon too to be

1584
01:26:57,270 --> 01:26:53,800
able to to relocate it under the top of

1585
01:26:58,740 --> 01:26:57,280
the Temple Mount but did the did they

1586
01:27:01,980 --> 01:26:58,750
did they excavate the Ark of the

1587
01:27:05,010 --> 01:27:01,990
Covenant it's quite possible and if they

1588
01:27:06,870 --> 01:27:05,020
did then where did it go you know we

1589
01:27:07,649 --> 01:27:06,880
know that we know that a great sacred

1590
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:07,659
menorah

1591
01:27:12,569 --> 01:27:10,570
is on the arch of Titus and that's all

1592
01:27:14,339 --> 01:27:12,579
associated with the second temples

1593
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:14,349
destruction you know Herod's temple

1594
01:27:18,689 --> 01:27:16,570
which is still at you know on the temple

1595
01:27:21,419 --> 01:27:18,699
mountain and and was built around the

1596
01:27:25,199 --> 01:27:21,429
temple that we that Nehemiah and Ezra

1597
01:27:27,810 --> 01:27:25,209
built a little modest temple that was on

1598
01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:27,820
the rubble if you will of the the older

1599
01:27:34,589 --> 01:27:31,090
Temple of Solomon once the Babylonian

1600
01:27:38,159 --> 01:27:34,599
exile had ended and Cyrus had allowed

1601
01:27:40,859 --> 01:27:38,169
the Jews to return but you know there's

1602
01:27:42,779 --> 01:27:40,869
at the time of it once once we have the

1603
01:27:45,060 --> 01:27:42,789
first destruction the first temples

1604
01:27:48,089 --> 01:27:45,070
destruction there's no more record of

1605
01:27:52,020 --> 01:27:48,099
the Ark of the Covenant there are

1606
01:27:55,500 --> 01:27:52,030
legends Ethiopia or and so on yeah but I

1607
01:27:57,330 --> 01:27:55,510
mean if anybody would have found it it

1608
01:28:02,879 --> 01:27:57,340
would have been the Templars if it was

1609
01:28:05,729 --> 01:28:02,889
buried and I saw where they God and I

1610
01:28:07,649 --> 01:28:05,739
guess that Ethiopia thing carries a

1611
01:28:09,959 --> 01:28:07,659
little weight because of the Templar

1612
01:28:13,319 --> 01:28:09,969
presence or what seems to be in Lalibela

1613
01:28:16,939 --> 01:28:13,329
and places nearby with the building of

1614
01:28:20,459 --> 01:28:16,949
those Rock churches I think those were

1615
01:28:22,529 --> 01:28:20,469
supposedly Templar if I'm not mistaken

1616
01:28:24,449 --> 01:28:22,539
about that you know I think we've got

1617
01:28:28,529 --> 01:28:24,459
about thirty Seconds to go believe it or

1618
01:28:31,379 --> 01:28:28,539
not no really fast I'm hoping I can

1619
01:28:32,310 --> 01:28:31,389
extract the promise from you to come

1620
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:32,320
back again

1621
01:28:40,529 --> 01:28:38,489
and we'll carry on and we'll hopefully

1622
01:28:42,509 --> 01:28:40,539
you'll have some brand new things to

1623
01:28:45,149 --> 01:28:42,519
tell us about when you come back but I

1624
01:28:48,330 --> 01:28:45,159
do appreciate you coming on and it's

1625
01:28:50,699 --> 01:28:48,340
been it's been fascinating and you've

1626
01:28:52,709 --> 01:28:50,709
put some new bugs in my ear I tell you

1627
01:28:54,750 --> 01:28:52,719
to go check out

1628
01:28:57,360 --> 01:28:54,760
well the music's playing thank you very

1629
01:29:00,000 --> 01:28:57,370
much Luis buff Perry oh well thank you

1630
01:29:01,950 --> 01:29:00,010
and I'm ready we'll do talk to check out

1631
01:29:02,310 --> 01:29:01,960
Louis's new youtube channel coming right

1632
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